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  I am giving everyone on the board...

  by The Rebel in

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  a new commadment to the posting guidelines.

  we must love one another.. if i read the posting guidelines and saw the lurking presence of that new commadment " we must love one another" i would feel very uneasy about registering.

  it sounds more like a threat than an expression of love.

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  The Rebel

  The point I am making my friends, is nobody can " COMMAND" we love anybody. But "Island Man's " post has made a great observation " The Greek word Jesus used about " LOVE" is not a good translation.

  So lets take the " O.P" further what is the most over used word in the dictionary? I would say it's the word "LOVE". As children we say we " LOVE" ice-cream, we "LOVE" a bath. Then as teenagers we say we " LOVE" pop songs that sing about the most ridiculouse " LOVE". We also as teenagers have our first puppy "LOVE" ...So now I am thinking about the most over used word in the dictionary " LOVE."

  What does the word " LOVE" personally mean to you?
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  I am giving everyone on the board...

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
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  a new commadment to the posting guidelines.

  we must love one another.. if i read the posting guidelines and saw the lurking presence of that new commadment " we must love one another" i would feel very uneasy about registering.

  it sounds more like a threat than an expression of love.

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  Thanks Landy, point taken.I didn't give you the dislike, however I was tempted. But then I thought you may have made a good point. Let's see how the O.P develops, maybe "gibberish" is the only point my O.P made?

  Blondie, thanks for the post. You made an interesting point . Anyway what I intended with the O.P. was simply to say that Jesus COMMANDMENT to love was unreasonable.

  Personally in my life, I am capable of loving only a few people, and I think that's true for all of us. However going off O.P I think I can care for many people in my life, fortunately that includes a few on the board.

  But the O.P is about what I consider the unreasonableness of Jesus COMMANDMENT to love.
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  I am giving everyone on the board...

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a new commadment to the posting guidelines.

  we must love one another.. if i read the posting guidelines and saw the lurking presence of that new commadment " we must love one another" i would feel very uneasy about registering.

  it sounds more like a threat than an expression of love.

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  The Rebel

  a new COMMADMENT to the posting guidelines. We must LOVE one another.

  If I read the posting guidelines and saw the lurking presence of that new COMMADMENT " We must love one another" I would feel very uneasy about registering. It sounds more like a threat than an expression of love. In fact it's totally unreasonable to COMMAND someone to love each poster.

  Yet John 13:34 Jesus gave a " A new COMMANDMENT: Love one another. As I have loved you, so YOU must love one another"

  Anyway I will post this O.P under friends not " Bible study" because I think it reasonable to make a few friends here. However despite my enthusiasm I think if the posting guidelines COMMANDMED us to love each other it would be a little optimistic, arrogant and presumptuous.

  So from the above you can draw your own conclusions on what I think of Jesus COMMANDMENT that we love each other. Strangely as a witness they talk about loving each other, and possibly because they interpret it as a COMMANDMENT, they can disfellowship so easily, and think it a loving arrangement.
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  Leaving a small minority group.....

  by The Rebel in

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  has a profound influence on our life.

  on the one hand we have the background of our childhood, our upbringing, but when we leave and become apart of society, our witness traits and their set of beliefs are not tailored to fit in.

  however as i slowly learnt to know longer judge from the perspective of my witness life, i also learnt i am simply an ordinary person.

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  Thanks for the replies.

  Rainbow-troll ( Q) I envy you ....I am keen to understand how you have such solidarity with mainstream society?"

  A) Well mainstream society has its quirks, but the simple answer is I am now free to choose my friends not based on what they believe but on who they are as people. I am also reading " Cathcher in the Rye" a book I wouldn't have read governed by " Witness" mindset.

  Or for greater clarification an acquaintance of mine has a son, the son likes to wear women's clothes, and the father is a tough muscle matcho man. Yet he loves his son so much, that not only does he support his son's life choice, he dressed up in drag on the towns community day and participated in a show with his son. I also saw how very embarrassed the father was participating in the event...and I thought what a great dad that man is, what a son that father has, they are both very courageous people to do what they did, and I am proud to be apart of that "mainstream society"
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  Birthday Wishes Welcome!

  by LifesNotOver in

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  many of you don't know me or won't remember me.

  i left the jw's and my husband and my home last september - forging a new life in a new town.

  i haven't posted here for many months, but have been reading most days.

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  71 years young...many congratulations and thanks for your inspiring post...👍👍
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  Goodbye friends

  by Freeandclear in

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  i'm not killing myself lol i just wanted to say a short goodbye.

  i'm not leaving forever, i'm sure i'll pop in here and there but for the most part i haven't felt the need to check in here as often as i used to so i thought i'd say so long.

  this journey we're all on (life) and trying to make sense of it all is a very personal one.

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  The Rebel

  I love the O.P title " Goodbye friends" hopfully more sincere than an interested person in the Kingdom Hall being referred to as "our friend" when they comment at a meeting.
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  Leaving a small minority group.....

  by The Rebel in

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  2. friends

  has a profound influence on our life.

  on the one hand we have the background of our childhood, our upbringing, but when we leave and become apart of society, our witness traits and their set of beliefs are not tailored to fit in.

  however as i slowly learnt to know longer judge from the perspective of my witness life, i also learnt i am simply an ordinary person.

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  has a profound influence on our life. On the one hand we have the background of our childhood, our upbringing, but when we leave and become apart of society, our Witness traits and their set of beliefs are not tailored to fit in. However as I slowly learnt to know longer judge from the perspective of my witness life, I also learnt I am simply an ordinary person. The greatest benefit of this is that now I can walk down the streets and i can feel apart of a wider community, apart of the very society I was taught to despise.

  These walks are now something I value because i was unable to take these walks as part of a minority group. It was the " sheep" and " goat" mentality. However in my present life I sometimes think about the way I used to look at people obsessed with that " sheep" and " goat" mentality, and I have concluded I was bought up very disrespectful of ordinary people.

  So why the runt, I am happy today, I live with my wonderful wife and child, I no longer live in the past. Well I just wanted to to post another great reason to leave the "Watchtower mentality" which is simply the healthy perspective it can give a person with their new outlook on life on humanity. The very humanity as Witnesses we are taught to despise.
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  Morality Without Deity

  by cofty in

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  one of the most persistent arguments for belief in god centres on the necessity of an ultimate law-giver and epitome of goodness.. a softer version is seen in the genuine concern that a loss of faith will result in a corresponding loss of a moral compass - a more strident argument links the existence of good and evil with proof of the reality of god.

  it is often asserted that without god, moral decisions degenerate to nothing more than personal preferences and the victory of "might is right".. i want to succinctly lay out my response as an atheist, and show that a supreme being is not required for objective morality.. it is helpful to distinguish between absolute morality, objective morality and subjective morality.

  christian apologists frequently conflate the first two, and secular debaters often fail to point out the difference.. theists who disagree on everything else, are unanimous that god is perfectly good.

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  The Rebel

  :-)

  I look forward to your next O.P.
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  Morality Without Deity

  by cofty in

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  one of the most persistent arguments for belief in god centres on the necessity of an ultimate law-giver and epitome of goodness.. a softer version is seen in the genuine concern that a loss of faith will result in a corresponding loss of a moral compass - a more strident argument links the existence of good and evil with proof of the reality of god.

  it is often asserted that without god, moral decisions degenerate to nothing more than personal preferences and the victory of "might is right".. i want to succinctly lay out my response as an atheist, and show that a supreme being is not required for objective morality.. it is helpful to distinguish between absolute morality, objective morality and subjective morality.

  christian apologists frequently conflate the first two, and secular debaters often fail to point out the difference.. theists who disagree on everything else, are unanimous that god is perfectly good.

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  The Rebel

  Cofty " Many who attach themselfs to scientific study do not have the freedom to think nor their own personality on views on right and wrong"- REBEL

  I would find it regrettable if I should be held to account, with the above statement, without the reader reading my complete post and the context I made that statement. Otherwise I am in complete ageeance with Coftys post.
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  Morality Without Deity

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  one of the most persistent arguments for belief in god centres on the necessity of an ultimate law-giver and epitome of goodness.. a softer version is seen in the genuine concern that a loss of faith will result in a corresponding loss of a moral compass - a more strident argument links the existence of good and evil with proof of the reality of god.

  it is often asserted that without god, moral decisions degenerate to nothing more than personal preferences and the victory of "might is right".. i want to succinctly lay out my response as an atheist, and show that a supreme being is not required for objective morality.. it is helpful to distinguish between absolute morality, objective morality and subjective morality.

  christian apologists frequently conflate the first two, and secular debaters often fail to point out the difference.. theists who disagree on everything else, are unanimous that god is perfectly good.

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  The Rebel

  Ruby456 " thanks for the discussion cofty"

  and let's also thank John-Mann and others that contributed to a great thread. Because sometimes in life the things we don't think we can believe can be discussed.